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Sheep DoGG
03-09-2009, 02:35 PM
Duane so you are telling me these rules here are ok. I don't want to finsih this chassis and you guys vote me out. :think:

http://www.outlawracing.com/THERULEBOOKS/OUTLAW105RULES/tabid/65/Default.aspx
shooter
03-09-2009, 03:05 PM
Carpet dont forget the Carpet!:D:D:D

Call 1.800.588.2300!!
Sheep DoGG
03-09-2009, 03:50 PM
Carpet dont forget the Carpet!:D:D:D

Call 1.800.588.2300!!

We might have to work on the carpet thing:D
High Roller
03-09-2009, 04:12 PM
My view on the carpet is that the way it is written the guy that has the money for carbon fiber get the weight benefit two fold versus the guy that cannot afford carbon fiber that has the weight penalty of tin AND has the weight penalty for havin to cover it.

My vote is to reword it as "No bare tinwork. All tinwork must be obvious that it has been made presentable as an interior piece." Or something like that. I think this is where the rule stems from. Make the inside LOOK how the inside of the car used to look or should look. However you want to look at it.

No crate paper covered panels or horribly rattle canned stuff. These cars are going to be shown in the pits as well as seen on the track. This part of the rule should be hardcore to me for that reason alone.

Am I trying to make this rule for me....no...I have a double whamy as my car is still ALL STEEL and all tube and such is covered with tweed to match the rest of the interior. Wonder why its soooo heavy huh.

There is my long winded vote I guess. Reword it a little and it should be good. Interior shoudl be that of a street type car NOT a tube chassis car.
shooter
03-09-2009, 04:47 PM
I agree with that statement High Roller.

My tubs and associated work is STEEL not tin.
Gary abbey
03-09-2009, 05:43 PM
I agree with that statement High Roller.

My tubs and associated work is STEEL not tin.steel and tin are the same thing:think:
shooter
03-09-2009, 05:49 PM
Different in the fact they are painted to match the carpet and welded in not pounded full of rivets and silicon.;)

And are not getting carpeted.
GETDUSTED
03-09-2009, 07:45 PM
Then my hood should be fine because the rules say all panels need to be painted...... my hood is painted black......
shooter
03-09-2009, 07:59 PM
Now your getting it....its all about "interpetation":D:lmao:
Duane Waldrop
03-09-2009, 08:16 PM
Saturday will be a good meeting... We will go over the rules in question...

Jason Carr just had his hood painted to meet rules...

The rules are not in "stone" yet. But where does end it ? Do you modify the rules for each car ?

See you Saturday,

Duane
shooter
03-09-2009, 08:37 PM
Duane I dont think people want that....but how about rules that make sense and fit the majority of the cars out there instead of forcing guys to spend money in this economy to fit in this little box.

I can promise you spectators wont care if a car has carpet on the tubs, a wing or lexan...all they want is a cold beer and side by side action...thats what puts butts in the seat. :yup:
fonz
03-09-2009, 09:07 PM
8.90 cap run what ya brung! as long as its pretty
Sheep DoGG
03-09-2009, 09:14 PM
8.90 cap run what ya brung! as long as its pretty

Doorcars only, and yes I agree with the rest:yup:
9SecBuick
03-09-2009, 09:28 PM
8.90 cap run what ya brung! as long as its pretty

Car or driver gotta be pretty?:lmao:J/K I think this is gonna be a fun class, I just have to pull the trigger on whether or not to do it.
Sheep DoGG
03-09-2009, 09:30 PM
Car or driver gotta be pretty?:lmao:J/K I think this is gonna be a fun class, I just have to pull the trigger on whether or not to do it.

Yes Doug this class is for you. We are going to have a lot of fun
9SecBuick
03-09-2009, 09:39 PM
I pm'd you on SCC, prolly should of done it here but whatever. Give me some feedback...Are you gonna run 10.0 on the same night as this?
Sheep DoGG
03-09-2009, 09:43 PM
I pm'd you on SCC, prolly should of done it here but whatever. Give me some feedback...Are you gonna run 10.0 on the same night as this?

We have a firebird that will be running the 10.00 class. I will have my hands full trying to annouce from the driver seat:D
9SecBuick
03-09-2009, 09:50 PM
We have a firebird that will be running the 10.00 class. I will have my hands full trying to annouce from the driver seat:D

Talk about play by play, ooh man look at the Fridge white Buick blowing by the Buski...better pill that biatch up for next month:D
High Roller
03-09-2009, 09:50 PM
I can promise you spectators wont care if a car has carpet on the tubs, a wing or lexan...all they want is a cold beer and side by side action...thats what puts butts in the seat. :yup:

I definitly DO NOT agree with this, If thats the case the stands would be PACKED on normal bracket nights and that is definitley NOT the case. Lets not take it too far the other way with statements like that. Been down this road. Spectators come to special shows that are more relative to what they know. Not every weekend bracket cars that have no chance being seen anywhere else and that look like they SHOULD be able to do these things.

Wait until june 20 and I am sure head dount will be much higher than the regular bracket night.

Beer does help!!!!
Sheep DoGG
03-09-2009, 09:57 PM
Wait until june 20 and I am sure head dount will be much higher than the regular bracket night.

We will have 30,000 people in the house JUNE 20:yup:
High Roller
03-09-2009, 10:34 PM
Car or driver gotta be pretty?:lmao

Leaves me out if so...and alot of others I think....:lmao:
GETDUSTED
03-09-2009, 10:55 PM
we will have 30,000 people in the house june 20


all cheering for the 97 trans am!!!!!!!! Thats is a true streetcar!!!!!
shooter
03-09-2009, 11:07 PM
You cant compare bracket racing to heads up racing. 2 totaly different atmosphere's. But again...all people want is a cold beer and 2 cars leaving side by side (which brakcet racing isnt)...they dont care if it has carpeted tin work and the owners manual in the glove box;)
Gary abbey
03-10-2009, 04:22 AM
Saturday will be a good meeting... We will go over the rules in question...

Jason Carr just had his hood painted to meet rules...

The rules are not in "stone" yet. But where does end it ? Do you modify the rules for each car ?

See you Saturday,

DuaneTo me a lot of rules dont make sense when its a index glass. I understand trying to keep them "factory looking" and the wheelstand for the fan's. But no matter what ya have your still not supose to run quicker than the index. I would have no problum running the E85 but know i have lexan windsheild and i cant go back because of the cowl area that has been cut away.When will it end. Im so close to saying good by to all of it.
Hurst390
03-10-2009, 06:15 AM
Another question I have is about the guys spraying to run 8.90..Are you going to run e-85 in the n20 system or run a stand alone tank for the n20 and is it going to have e-85 in it?
I ask because alot of guys that run methanol run race gas with the n20.
High Roller
03-10-2009, 07:35 AM
Another question I have is about the guys spraying to run 8.90..Are you going to run e-85 in the n20 system or run a stand alone tank for the n20 and is it going to have e-85 in it?
I ask because alot of guys that run methanol run race gas with the n20.

Jim,

I am running 30-35% large fuel pill and running the E85 through it. Now this is all based of of help I am getting. Noe knowledge or experience here....lol.

And yes i am going to have to go after it to run the number, but I dont really care...I want to go, have fun, put on a show, and if a few rounds come my way or the 8.90 does, then thats an extra bonus!!!

I dont have the baddest green ride on the planet!!! Ok so I am biased a little.
GETDUSTED
03-10-2009, 08:59 PM
I dont have the baddest green ride on the planet!!! Ok so I am biased a little.


I think I do?????
shooter
03-10-2009, 09:09 PM
High Roller....I run Methanol now and I spray with Methanol. I tried that 30% fuel pill deal at first and it was pig fat on the jug.....breaking up and soot black. I went to a std. NOS tune up right from the sheet and its perfect! Just thought Id give ya my experiance with that "need more fuel tune".
High Roller
03-11-2009, 07:48 AM
High Roller....I run Methanol now and I spray with Methanol. I tried that 30% fuel pill deal at first and it was pig fat on the jug.....breaking up and soot black. I went to a std. NOS tune up right from the sheet and its perfect! Just thought Id give ya my experiance with that "need more fuel tune".


Thanks shooter...I planned on starting with 25% and an 02 sensor just to eliminate my interpretation of the plugs with this e85.

Wonder how ethanol and methanol differ in that aspect?
Hurst390
03-11-2009, 08:27 AM
I'm not sure if that o2 sensor will work right(accurate) at wot? Call Terry Richards he might loan you his egt monitor....
High Roller
03-11-2009, 09:57 AM
I'm not sure if that o2 sensor will work right(accurate) at wot? Call Terry Richards he might loan you his egt monitor....

I dotn thin you can use a read/yellow/green. You actually need a number.

"Stoichiometric ratio for E85 is 9.8:1. If you are using an air/fuel ratio meter set to read gasoline shoot for an air/fuel ratio of 10.5:1 to 11:1 or .75 to .80 lambda @ WOT for best (safe) power. If you use an EGT meter to tune off of you know that ideal temps. will vary greatly from one combination to another."
Hurst390
03-11-2009, 10:50 AM
His gives a number...
Hurst390
03-11-2009, 10:58 AM
Are you using a wide band or narrow band 02 sensor?
narrow band....

When an internal combustion engine is under high load (e.g. wide open throttle), the output of the oxygen sensor is ignored, and the ECU automatically enriches the mixture to protect the engine. Any changes in the sensor output will be ignored in this open-loop state, as are changes from the air flow meter, which might otherwise lower engine performance due to the mixture being too rich or too lean, and increase the risk of engine damage due to detonation if the mixture is too lean.
Hurst390
03-11-2009, 11:01 AM
"wide band"
A variation on the zirconia sensor, called the "wideband" sensor, was introduced by Robert Bosch in 1994 but is (as of 2006) used in only a few vehicles. It is based on a planar zirconia element, but also incorporates an electrochemical gas pump. An electronic circuit containing a feedback loop controls the gas pump current to keep the output of the electrochemical cell constant, so that the pump current directly indicates the oxygen content of the exhaust gas. This sensor eliminates the lean-rich cycling inherent in narrow-band sensors, allowing the control unit to adjust the fuel delivery and ignition timing of the engine much more rapidly. In the automotive industry this sensor is also called a UEGO (for Universal Exhaust Gas Oxygen) sensor. UEGO sensors are also commonly used in aftermarket dyno tuning and high-performance driver air-fuel display equipment. The wideband zirconia sensor is used in stratified fuel injection systems, and can now also be used in diesel engines to satisfy the forthcoming EURO and ULEV emission limits.
High Roller
03-11-2009, 11:05 AM
Wide band stand alone data logger. No enrichment here....lol
High Roller
03-11-2009, 11:23 AM
I'm .....Call Terry Richards he might loan you his egt monitor....

However, that is a godd idea. Hate to drill the headers but I can deal with that.
Hurst390
03-11-2009, 11:44 AM
He just uses 1 tube.... #1 on a rambler usually runs the leanest...small hole and covers it with a hose clamp when not in use....
Hurst390
03-12-2009, 08:15 AM
Wide band stand alone data logger. No enrichment here....lol

atleast i learned something yesterday...working on it today yet..:lmao:
High Roller
03-12-2009, 08:57 AM
I dotn thin you can use a read/yellow/green. You actually need a number.

"Stoichiometric ratio for E85 is 9.8:1. If you are using an air/fuel ratio meter set to read gasoline shoot for an air/fuel ratio of 10.5:1 to 11:1 or .75 to .80 lambda @ WOT for best (safe) power. If you use an EGT meter to tune off of you know that ideal temps. will vary greatly from one combination to another."

Sorry Jim I meant the O2 sensor, not his egt.
High Roller
03-13-2009, 08:59 AM
High Roller....I run Methanol now and I spray with Methanol. I tried that 30% fuel pill deal at first and it was pig fat on the jug.....breaking up and soot black. I went to a std. NOS tune up right from the sheet and its perfect! Just thought Id give ya my experiance with that "need more fuel tune".


Got doing some looking. There is obviously somn different between meth, eth, and e85. On meth (ha ha ha insert drug jokes here) they do not recomend an increase in consumption/jetting, but everyone talking e85 does.

I am no chemist, but obviously meth has more btus than e85 or somn. They both carry an oxygen molecule.

Eth = C2H6O
Meth = CH3OH
E85 = 85%*C2H6O + 15%*C8H18
E85 plus spray = 85%*C2H6O + 15%*C8H18 + N2O (more oxygen compounded)

Just fyi if I am correct that is :lmao: Let the chemists begin beating me up :lmao: